I dunno. Winchester only published load for WST in 38 special using lead bullets if you look at the data for the 158 data the start load goes from 3.3 Gr and a max load of 3.7 Gr. In terms of thousands of rounds of range practice, though, that is a definite no-go in my book. Hodgdon's Basic Reloading Manual, (The free one, available for the asking. I'm guessing they still go bang, and leave the gun to go downrange. How does WST compare to Bullseye powder? Its the only gun that has appreciated in value (as long as you ignore inflation). Does anyone have experience with loading WST for 125 gr plates bullets or a place to start the research/testing? 3.7gr WST with Zero 158 SWC did the job for me. I reached an interesting number the other day. You can always back off to the .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Mag if you choose to. I SEE THAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT USE THE AMMO FOR D/R. There is almost no recoil and the student can increase power level when they feel ready using the same gun. Does anyone have any luck with Jacked Bullets. I just bought a Lyman mold 160 round nose with a crimp groove. The Bullseye powder pushed five into two inches flat for another 1911 that is typically a four-inch gun. I dont mind it at all, though others do and look to similar performing powders that address these things. 41 Rem Mag 35,000 WST is less dense than BE. Most DNR (Do Not Reduce) loads are well over 900-fps. Load it using wadcutter specs, and seat the bullet flush, like a wadcutter. Ive saved all my .38 brass over the last couple of years for whenever I find time to get into reloading. I have found that if you go down too low in charge you will have some ignition issues occasionally. Prefer to use the CT model 305 laser grips in lieu of S&W grips. What I have found most remarkable is how well some pistols that typically fling wide groups have clustered the semiwadcutters. Ive played with several that I like, but the classic in 9mm is 4.4 grains driving a 115-grain jacketed bullet. Haven't tried it in the Colt Officer's Model Match yet. The key to those rounds, in spite of their paltry muzzle velocity of something like 825 feet per second out of a snubbie, is their diameter and mass: they will make significant diameter holes and penetrate respectably in attackers. accuracy. Softer alloys of lead are just easier on the machinery. 4.) So if you find a "lead" load it is also a plated load. 148-grain wadcutter brings accuracy that begs the shooter to test their limits. I haven't used any of those powders but I like faster powders in 38 Special like Titegroup and Clays. This wire is then fed into a machine called a cold header. An early Les Baer .45 knotted a group of the lead SWCs into a tight 1.3-inch group, while an M&P .45 did 1.25 inches. WITH THE SWAGED BULLETS REDDING SELLS A PROFILE CRIMP DIE. And I still think a 158 at 600 beats hell out of a 22 magnum of any stripe. I also find the LCR .357 enjoyable to shoot with all .38s and most .357s. I have often thought about reloading .357 brass to .38 special velocities to get around that, but have just never decided to actually do it. Like Wobbly. When I finally nabbed my own canisters of Bullseye, the first load I spun up was 2.7 grains under Hornadys hollow-base wadcutters. Ammunition is available everywhere handguns are legal. Accurate, powder-puff recoil, and serious power all in one. Yes, I had no issues with the 38 SPL, but the 32 is just more FUN- especially when I get seven shots of it in a revolver the size of J frame! When I say that theres rarely a wrong way to do it, I really mean it. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck. This gun now wears factory synthetic grips which are decent but could use more girth behind the trigger guard. is limited to either the various Charter Arms models, or as a training/target load in a .44 magnum size handguns. Your email address will not be published. Easy to reload and it started my reloading experience. No offense sir but those charges look low for Unique. So . Yeah, my wifes last gun, with +P it actually HURTS! It also shows that the loads were established using a 6" barrel, so regardless of what any published data shows, the chances of ever finding published data for the exact projectile and barrel length you are using, as well as the exact conditions you will be shooting in, would be nearly impossible. I burned up about 300 of them before giving up. The only reason that my standard (everyday carry) self-defense handgun is not a .38 Special revolver is because I can conceal a semi-auto better (it isnt as fat as the cylinder on a revolver) and my semi-auto has 15 rounds of hard-hitting 180 grain bullets. Im new to loading the 38 for accuracy, but the biggest issue I found with case length is your crimp. I routinely use only two powders: Trail Boss and Titegroup. Ive been loading 158gr FMJ with Titegroup and the only problem Ive had is getting the seating depth right after the die locknut slipped. It seems to burn completely in the .38 and is not as critical as the faster powders like Bullseye. Hornady less to start.) The Speer #8 lists a max of 7.5 grs Unique with a 125 gr Jacketed SP This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 . Magnum 44 S&W Special 45 Colt 45 Auto 45 G.A.P 9mm Luger 9x18mm Makarov 32 S&W Long (Cowboy Action) 32-20 Win. What sort of wildlife are you thinking would be a good application for this self-defense load? These have a good profile- longer at the top where the middle finger rides, and shorter where the pinkie rests. each bullet is different for oal due to a crimp groove on most. I have experimented with both of Hornadys 200-grain semiwadcutters in this load: the more button-nosed SWC and the longer Combat/Target (C/T) version. Just shows the importance of trying/checking the feel of a gun and if possible, test firing it, before you buy it. Not in that order. : 1,266 1,472 Press. The beauty of shooting a .38 is that you can easily practice at the ranges youd fight at using basically any cheap bullet at minimal expense. accuracy. It seems to burn completely in the .38 and is not as critical as the faster powders like Bullseye. Please enable javascript before you are allowed to see this page. 11/2/2022. Normal 38 spell loads for as long as I can remember were never loaded less than 800FPS and I have loaded for revolvers and autos such as my S&W mod 52 that only shoots flush wadcutters. This Cast Reloading Bullet feeds great in automatics and has excellent accuracy in both the 9mm and 38 Super. This is an easy-shooting load that can cause some power-philes to tusk-tusk and comment. That sounds. I am aware of the plated bullet limitations on BE accuracy and am more interested in them for their "plinkability". I keep thinking about trading it for a Model 27 or, maybe, one of the new Pythons for extra weight. Normal, mild .38 loads work fine with lead bullets. The powder charges used for .38 are forgiving. I have read some posts online from people who claim that it makes no difference whether the bullets are swaged or cast; and they can be loaded to the same velocity, but the swaged bullets will lead up a barrel faster because the lead is softer. My Hornady book says for 158 gr L-SWC, Unique powder, CCI magnum primer the minimum listed (not sure if that's absolute minimum) is 4.3 and maximum is 4.7. As a result, Ive been able to spend far more time practicing with it rather than fussing with it. The pistol or revolver of good quality is vital. Do not use anything but light loads and lead bullets in these older revolvers. Hornady also has load data for the 110-grain .357 XTP for the lower-pressure .38 Automatic. Ive been reloading and shooting for over 40 years and love revolvers but 90% of the time my carry gun is a Sig 365 with a 12 round mag and a spare. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Hodgdon - 700-X: 125 gr. Oh, I practice with it. Currently using Titegroup, but started out with, and loaded many thousands of rounds, with Bullseye. Red Dot work fine for most 38 Special loads. I have 125 grain jacketed bullets, Bullseye powder and CCI 500 primers. VV N320, N330 and N340 are products of VihtaVouri Oy Company CorBon Self Defense, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Jacketed Hollow Point, +P, 20 Round Box 38125 I had enough, The Model 1911 pistol will officially turn 100 years old on May 5, 2011. My use of the term adequate means that Hodgdon has produced a workable result for the .38 Special, .38 Special +P, and .357 Magnum that may be used for 125 grain weight bullets having velocity limitations. WST for .38 special 125 gr plated bullets, Re: WST for .38 special 125 gr plated bullets. I have not loaded plated bullets in quite some time, since they are not useful for my accuracy needs. The 9mm Bullseye load is a good stand-in for either training or match ammo, with the velocity putting the power factor comfortably over the minimum for action sports without too much extra oomph. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Very versatile cartridge. Below, are three loaded rounds. (Cowboy Action) 38 Special (Cowboy Action) 38-40 Win. The quality of the loads equals a bargain. Larry Gibson "Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing." Nikola Tesla 01-30-2020, 01:43 PM #9 Mr_Flintstone Boolit Buddy Join Date Jan 2020 Location I used to reload .38s and .357s with 158 grain LSWC bullets over 4.3 and 6.5 grains of Unique. in a belt holster at 4:00. The only way to shoot both 9mm and .38 special is to have two separate cylinders timed to the revolver. Unique was a sooty powder so Ive switched to W231. In half a dozen different sixguns, it ranged from accurate to spectacular. Re: 38 special loads by GrumpyOldMan 11/10/2013, 4:23 pm IIRC, the NRA Action Pistol power floor is a "factor" of 125, which requires a full 1,000 fps for 125-gr bullets. I have the shrouded hammer version, the 638, and have been wary of training much with it because of its aluminum frame. Me too! I agree, an airweight has snappy recoil. June 13, 2016 in 9mm/38 Caliber. So you only hang onto the primer boxes loosely? The Charter Arms .44 models are potential CCWs, but are too light to properly handle the .44 spl. Recoil in that gun is less than most 45 ACP 1911s I have shot, and its still got around 500-600ft lbs of energy which is more than enough for feral hogs around the ranch back home. It is less of an issue on a progressive press, but still requires attention. Most people have one general power level for their semi-autos due to the fact that the guns wont function with ammo thats not energetic enough to cycle the slide. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up. When you could leave city limits and just about every dirt mound in sight, was a plinking range. defensive ammo. Jack it up a notch and go with .327 Federal Magnum. Accurate's No. I was looking through the Lyman 49th edition reloading manual and see the bullets you are talking about. Youre describing Remington Multiball ammunition (R357MB)- I used to carry that stuff decades ago. rattlesnake of a revolver made me bleed. http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders-guide/equivalents.asp. In my area, Bullseye is one of the first powders to disappear from shelves, lasting about a heartbeat longer than an econo bulk box of .22 Long Rifle ammunition. With all the loads available, you can surely find one within recoil tolerance. The 158 gr cast plain base accuracy load was 4.0 gr 231 which gave 837 Fps and 15,900 psi. (Note: These are near maximum loads (in some cases ARE MAXIMUM), you should use 10%. How can I tell if they are cast or swaged? I completely understand the respect for the performance of the 327 Fed, but not being a big fan of the 357 Mag (or 38 SPL plus P for that matter) I havent been drawn to the 327. Im a big fan of .32 revolvers, I do think they are a superior choice for carrying and shooting than .38 is, but that doesnt mean I think .38 or .357 sucks, I just dont think theyre the best choices for a small frame revolver. I have several manuals and some say that this load is a low +p, some say it is not, but it is very accurate. And.those Hornady 158 HPs are easy to reload but I have never had one open up in a varmint of any sort. You will be, essentially, making 38 Short Colt. Nice thing about reloading is that loads can be tailored for the gun that you are shooting. (Same issue found with a 12 oz. The manufacturing process of swaged bullets requires relatively soft lead for two reasons. 158 gr. Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense. I favor the appearance of the C/T load and find it slightly easier to grab and orient in the loading process. . On my J frame S&W without the CT #305 Laser Grips, I swapped out to a Hoque set. That for just a nice shooting load one cant beat 148gr wad-cutter for pure fun. Any pistol competitions yet? There are so many new powders today, its hard to keep up. are you loading .38 special brass, or .357 magnum brass? I use 3.2 gr Bullseye to push a 125 gr cast along at 750 - 775 fps in the 38 SPL from 5 and 6" barreled revolvers. Im not recommending that you carry the Bullseye load, but dont feel as if you are going to tactical purgatory for enjoying this load, either. IIRC, the NRA Action Pistol power floor is a "factor" of 125, which requires a full 1,000 fps for 125-gr bullets. I don't know what bullets you have, but Berry's recommends per their website to use hard cast data for their plated bullets. The 38 Special Ball round was designed a long time ago to comply with specifications laid down for ammo that was : 1) Compliant with the Hague Accords of 1907 in regard to "unnecessarily" injurious ammunition. SWC, 160 gr. Bonus is the CT #305 grips are both large enough to be actually useful, and can use the laser, or turn it off if you dont need the laser. 32 S&W Long 15,000 * All PLUS P loads for guns designed for it (20,000 PSI), (Cowboy loads shot in 7 1/2 bbl.revolver no need to reduce), ALL THESE LOADS ARE PLUS P, SPECIAL HOT 21,000 PSI. Only need cast when driving up to 1200 fps or so. Powders include IMR, Hodgdon, Alliant, Vihtavuori, Winchester, Accurate This load is in the general velocity bracket with most generic or bulk box 115-grain loads and zings over my chronograph at 1,125 to 1,140 fps from a Glock 17, depending on bullet style. The same volume of BE will weigh much more than than same volume of WST. I soon traded off a Colt Frontier Scout .22 LR for an S&W Model 15 and happily chased all manner of small game and landfill targets with my stash of wadcutters. Jacketed bullets are not legal for Distinguished Revolver. Designed in 1898, the .38 Smith & Wesson Special cartridge went on . 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! If I get to see him shoot those loads, it would be worth the price of a new keyboard! I am loath to shoot several cylinders of standard pressure/velocity .38 Special 125 grain bullets out of a Smith and Wesson Model 642 revolver (or similar). Never ransom rested it, but held 10 ring off sandbags. My personal loads for practice replicate my carry. Bullseye Select A Caliber or Gauge Below To View Recipes. 38 special was also my first cartridge to reload, and one of my greatest loves for reloading to this day. "Berry's Superior Plated Bullets are the finest bonded copper-jacketed bullets available today.." ?. Forget about it. Hence the lack of load data from just about anybody. Great Cast Lead Bullet for IDPA. The big medicine was delivered by a 1911, but S&W K frames (favorites were Models 12 & 64) took care of everything else. When using a 158 gr. As example, 5.8 6.0 grains UNIQUE with a 125 grain HP in a snub nose .357 revolver. Use data for weight. I load my 38 target ammo to 3.5 grainsand my self defense 38 to 3.8 grains, when using 158 grain bullets (and Bullseye). 9 mm, .40 sw, 45 acp, .44 mag. I only wish the brass was more available locally. The swaged bullets are soft enough that they expand even at mild velocities where a JHP or hard cast cant. They have a large selection about the hard cast loads from 90 to 170 gains. Even better, is get some 38 S&W brass. Last I looked still available at Brownells. When I teach other people the basics of reloading, I teach them on the .38 SPL. Battis, if you go to the very bottom of this page you will see Castpics. Not sure how that translates to Bullseye powder. Soft shooting. It's given me good results in the 2, 3 and 4 inch barreled. *WAP is not best choice for .38 special, too slow and inconsistent. Maybe its just me, but having that tiny bit of extra length and weight in the cylinder that I was never going to use just kinda bothered me. .38 Special (Alliant Data) Warning! The 9mm produces about 35,000 psi, Damn. I havent shot too many full house Casull loads, but I get a huge grin when shooting my reduced loads of 7.5grs of Trail Boss under a Cast Performance 360gr WLFN. I load my own, 130 gr RNFP using Win 231 powder a little over the mid point in the published load data. Load cut these cards at five yards out of this Model 15. In fact, in the past I specifically sought out revolvers chambered in 38 SPL only, knowing I would never be putting a 357 Mag in it (I carried a 4 GP100 chambered in 38 SPL as a duty sidearm in the early 90s). Ive probably picked up 300 cases of .38 the past few months and will continue to grab them as I see them, but whats nice is I can shoot more and put that money towards brass for .32 or .45 Colt, stuff that I never see at the range. I may have to rethink my plan. Good point Len. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. 100 except where otherwise noted in "remarks" Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. 5 are good choices. You may end up with one "not" clearing the barrel. We look at three classics: one each in .45 ACP, .38 Special, and 9mm. I can shoot this load at speeds I cant normally reach with .45. would also bridge the gap that the .38 versus .357 have in defensive loads. They are true classics, and I hope you get as much use out of them! Fifty yards of course is the preferred distance. The stuff you learn shooting 20,000 reloads (on top of thousands of rounds of factory ammo) can be pretty interesting and I feel that Ive got a very good picture of what the .38 Special. There have been guns Ive bought for the caliber, but the .38 wasnt one of those. It is always higher when powder is next to primer. 1.455 in. Generally, I'm looking for a load that produces accuracy from approx. Therefore, the conventional wisdom is that they must be loaded to a lower velocity. The Lyman is handy for sizing or priming while youre watching a movie. I found the plated wadcutters to have NO accuracy. Fast burning and consistent Economical and accurate Principal Purpose: Handgun loads Remarks: America's best known pistol powder. I shoot almost exclusively cast lead from my handguns. ( customer reviews) $ 10.69 - $ 246.00. That's usually +P power level in .38 Special. In a 1909 vintage Smith & Wesson target .38, the 2.7-grain load cut a nearly one-inch cluster, showing that classics go well together. Pasted as rich text. Never got around to trying the T grips. Hence I carry a semi-auto pistol chambered in .40 S&W. 4.0 gr. 8.) (For those who would. I use 3 gr. Ive been looking for a reason to get into reloading, and am particularly intrigued by the extremely long case life of .38 Special. Of course, these will be used in a revolver. The covered blackstrap and extended length Compac design I reckon are major factors in reducing perceived recoil. it seems awful confusing, but with time you will be able to interpolate the published data into something that will give you good starting points to work up your loads. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L.
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